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Hey everyone,

I know a fair amount of you here (read: 2 or so) have been published on labels.

Right now I have 18 or so minutes of noise, and when I get around 30 (that'll be about 10 songs, give or take a few, for me), I'll probably want to submit my CD to a label is hopes of getting it published.

What labels are accepting submissions? Do you guys have any suggestions?

Much thanks forever and ever amen,

Ik3
posted by: BLANK on 2005-02-19 07:20:47
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just wait, don't start submitting yet, wait till you've done more tracks.
posted by: gacky on 2005-02-19 08:01:50
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meh.

Couldn't hurt.
posted by: BLANK on 2005-02-19 08:18:21
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in my experience, you shouldn't submit anything to anyone. You should instead try to have your music spread around by sending it to zines, independent reviewers, having it available online, playing live, etc. The more exposure you'll get, the best chance you'll have to be noticed by a label -this is absolutely the best way to be signed ever.

from what I know, sending demos isn't only useless, it'll cost you money and be real time-consuming.

here's my suggestion (and what I do, even though I run a label -for which only one demo has ever been accepted and remember my label's very small so I listen to everything... most labels listen to nothing or do only a quick browsing): focus on your music because making good music is the best way to be noticed.
posted by: ddn+ on 2005-02-19 08:58:56
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A number of labels these days are asking people for one or two tracks for compilations. I think this is a good way to get your project noticed and your name circulated. Once you have a high enough profile labels will come to you with offers of releasing full albums or whatever. Well, that's what I'm hoping anyway.
posted by: Prenna on 2005-02-19 18:27:25
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I like Prenna's idea.
posted by: BLANK on 2005-02-19 19:30:26
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yeah, I've learnt that labels don't want to deal with anyone they don't think has a ready made audience. And I jumped in sending out cds of the first album's worth of material I got together aswell... feedback was good and bad(when I actually got any) but it was invaluable in teaching me the way these things work, in that no matter how good you think your own stuff is, no label's going to touch you (except in very rare instances) unless you've got a ready made market waiting for product. Labels like Roil Noise are doing a good job tapping into a vein of unsigned talent with their upcoming RINO compilation and their invitation for everyone to send them their stuff for consideration but a lot of "bigger name" labels wouldn't give you a second thought without that guarantee of sales from an established audience. The main thing at the moment is to get your stuff online... the best thing GD did when we started out as a 2 piece was to get on Soundclick and start getting involved with online communities. There was a lucky break with some early magazine coverage that got more people visiting the site and coming back regularly to grab new material, the same magazine's (UK's Bizarre magazine that ships internationally to a big audience) been very suppportive and since published a cd review even though it wasn't commercially available. It's opened more doors than sending stuff to record labels ever did.
I know Soundclick isn't perfect, but there's a good core of noise/industrial/experimental artists there that support and promote each other, so it's always worthwhile getting involved with people like that, I mean I'll promote and help out anyone whose music I like. I've got a certain amount of notoriety (same goes for folks like RI) and I like to use it to help out other people who haven't had the same lucky breaks I have, it could be helping to spread the word about them online, giving them tip-offs of upcoming projects where people are on the look-out for new music, or even just a remix so that "my audience" (if it's not too bold to call them that) can get an introduction to someone elses music that way. Promotion's always a bitch, but nobody's gonna listen to your stuff unless you push it on them at the beginning, and from there once you've got them hooked you can just work on sreading it out further. If you're doing something good then the audience will come if you let them know what they're looking for. Fanzines, trading circles, anything you can use to get word out about your stuff, you have to do it. I've gone from sending out literally hundreds of cds to now just doing a couple of dozen at a time to the places where its at least been acknowledged that I sent them something.
Its word of mouth not the music that'll get you noticed, and until you get the word of mouth the labels won't be interested. Play live aswell if you can, it's surprising the people that turn up to gigs... Ghoul Detail's getting radio airplay because of someone I met at the last gig we did as GDR experimental/noise outfit.
So 12 months after I started sending out stuff and got it online there's a couple of compilation cd slots in the pipeline, but no record deal and no full album release on the cards. Thing is, I know my stats at soundclick, I see the figures for who's checking out my stuff, I see the download stats, I get the emails off people that like what I'm doing... I know I've got an audience and to me that means more than getting something released on a label, it's a foundation to build on.

I owe more to lady luck than anything else
posted by: Ghoul Detail on 2005-02-20 04:56:26
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As GD said (somewhat..), luck plays a huge part in this. You get to know the right people, and it'll be an easy (well, easier) task, but if you don't know anyone, well.. it's going to be hard. Trust me.

But, even though me and Vlado K. are great friends, you don't see me on DTrash or sickmode, do you? So it's not guaranteed that having friends in important places = "success". But, then again, he is just an artist.. albeit one with a respectable amount of influence.
posted by: Subcomandante Insurgente on 2005-02-20 05:27:45
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Thanks to everyone for their help :)
posted by: BLANK on 2005-02-20 17:16:18
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Fuck it! If I ever get around to starting my own label (which is one of my many plans) you're all signed :)
posted by: Prenna on 2005-02-21 04:15:44
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this sending stuff for comps is a good idea. Actually I do things like that myself and I forgot to tell you, shame on me.

Just something: DON'T EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES send anything for a pay-per-minute compilation (invisible records for instance does this) that do nothing except cost you money. EVen more useless than sending stuff to labels.
posted by: ddn+ on 2005-02-24 02:33:33
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Some indie labels don't require signing contracts - friends with friends for friends....
posted by: Random Insults on 2005-02-24 07:37:40
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"Some indie labels don't require signing contracts - friends with friends for friends...."

I think that's why he put it quotations.
posted by: Royce Icon on 2005-02-24 21:46:29
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Royce - I can read. Thank you for yet another correction. I am going to call you little dog from now on because your sole mission seems to be to piss at my leg......RI sneaks in a pat shop and buys a pack of "Hund Hau Ab!".
posted by: Random Insults on 2005-02-25 03:50:31
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I am going to call you little dog from now on because your sole mission seems to be to piss at my leg


I know I shouldn't laugh, but the image that conjured up was priceless :D
posted by: Ghoul Detail on 2005-02-25 05:53:17
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