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comment :: Industrial integration
Hey, I've been playing in metal bands for the last 10 years or so. I've started a new band and am interested in integrating some programing into the mix. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to give me some pointers on equipment and the like. your help is greatly appreciated. thanx
posted by: daedalus on 2005-07-27 21:42:33
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
Hey Daedalus. . .

What kind of effect are you going for? "Metal with keyboards" could mean anything from black metal with orchestral stuff to hard rock with techno elements.

It also depends on your budget, whether you want to play live and what gear you already have so perhaps it would be best to start with a description of what you are interested in achieving and then we can make suggestions based on that.

Welcome aboard by the way.

Cheers
posted by: moron on 2005-07-27 21:57:37
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
i'd like to echo moron. give us some kind of idea of what sound you'd like to shoot for and we can give some help...
posted by: t.o.t.s. on 2005-07-28 07:02:17
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
I'm just going to throw this in here.

I want to hear someone do metal+non feedback noise. Guitar feedback seems like a standard sound by now. Something with SynthNoiseBox pulse effects would be great. Yeah, I would like that....
posted by: the bushmaster on 2005-07-29 15:01:28
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
Why don't you do it?
posted by: Random Insults on 2005-07-29 15:18:08
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hmm... I guess I COULD. I would need an SNB first though. Or at least some type of heavy duty ring-mod.
posted by: the bushmaster on 2005-07-29 15:24:46
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
There are some free ring modulator VST mixer effects on the market, for example from classic. You could do it digi and join the digi core group ;).
posted by: Random Insults on 2005-07-29 15:31:29
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
Thanx, I'm glad I found you guys. as far as sound goes...I am influenced by bands like Fear Factory, Velvet Acid Christ, Wumpskut, Ministry, Frontline Assembly, Gary Newman, Executive Slacks...the list goes on. I love all their sounds, But have no idea how they create most of their sound. We want to implement efects processors, synths, noise generators, the whole bit. I've tried progs like Fruity Loops, Reason, Sound Forge, Acid, Cakewalk, but was not into them. Mainly because I'm a very hands on type of person. As far as budget, I have conections to get pretty much anything I want. Esspecially in the used equip. market.
posted by: daedalus on 2005-07-30 18:20:00
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
A virtual analog would be a good place to start. A Nord lead, Roland JP8000, KorgES1, Alesis Ion, or Korg MS2000 might be a good way to get started learning and give you some of those electronic sounds you want.

There's tons of info on the site below as well. Lots of tutorials, guides, and gear reviews for starting electronic musicians. The writing is kinda cheesy, and the site is obviously connected to zzounds but still the info is good.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/
posted by: Forensic Entomology on 2005-08-01 11:33:16
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comment :: re: Industrial integration

A virtual analog would be a good place to start...


Another good VA synth you didn't name is the Yamaha AN1x (and the similar CS1x). I play the AN1x in an electronic rock band and it works wonders. Good sounds, easy to program or tweak patches live, and fairly inexpensive on the grand scale of things...
posted by: Wurm on 2005-08-01 21:34:38
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
Another thing to think about is not using distortion. A lot of times you'll hear some harsh noise and automatically think "distortion", but in many cases that might not be the case, at least not directly. Think stuff like ring-mod, waveshaping, even FM. I have used FM7 as effects insert and mutilated 808 bass drums to a great effect. Wumpscut has one of these screeching high-pitched sounds. I'm not exactly sure how he does it, but I've come up with something close by putting a heavily downpitched (about 3-4 octaves!) tom sample through the WRAP DSP in my Kurzweil K2600. I've duplicated this DSP in Reaktor, and it sounds exactly the same. Here's the sound:
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/69shadesofre...

It basically takes a waveform, amplifies it by a user specified amount, and whatever exceeds 1 or -1 wraps around to the opposite side. You can get similar results with 808 kicks too.

You can come up with a lot of twisted pads and drones by passing them through guitar pedals (again, non distortion units)... or post processing them in the software. Sometimes timestretching can do wonders. Take a 4 bar drum loop, and timestretch it to say 32 bars... at this point it will lose any semblance of being a drumloop, instead it will become this breathing, shifting, organic drone, that breaks up here and there. Why stop with drumloops? Take a speech sample, and do the same to it. Just because you use a mouse to do these things, it doesn't mean it's not "hands on" ;)

Experiment!
posted by: noisewreck on 2005-08-01 23:44:23
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comment :: re: Industrial integration
Thanx guys, this really helps alot. (^-^) I'll keep you guys up to date on how things are going.
posted by: daedalus on 2005-08-02 14:01:10
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