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Well, you probably have a point here. The only problem is that too many get stuck in this when they start like this.........

I know a lot of cover bands that never made the step really - their "original" stuff is a loose collection of stuff borrowed here and there. They believe no one notices and are sometimes surprized when I tell them which riffs on the guitars come from where........

Anyhow, I believe when copying a style in the EBM direction I would suggest Skinny Puppy - at least it is somewhat of a challenge. Some other stuff is too easy to copy.

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posted by: Random Insults on 2006-03-02 07:29:32
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I've never been able to find out how to emulate other people. I tried really hard when i first started out playing guitar when i was 13, but i just couldn't. and when i got older i just started experimenting with shit, not really trying to fit into any genre, so i don't really get genre people much.

When i first picked up a guitar I began scratching the damn thing and playing it left handed, and when i got a keyboard I put it through a pedal. It was just natural. I barely had a grasp on what industrial was...

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posted by: Royce Icon on 2006-03-06 14:34:39
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How do I sound like KMFDM?

How do I sound like Wumpscum?

How do I sound like Rammstein?

How? Ooooooooow, FUCK. Sorry for the rude word. First thing I'd suggest to ANYONE starting making music LONG BEFORE buying ANY KIND of gear is GET A F** DECENT RECORD COLLECTION (I already wrote that some time ago in one of the forums here).

That doesn't means you have to sound original, but at least you have an idea of what's going on in the outside world. That doesn't mean your record collection has to be industrial-only (or even -mostly), it just has to be varied and BIG. If I was a gear manufacturer, I'd forbid anyone that hasn't listened to 3 000 records to buy anything from me (yeah, that's 3000 hours listening to music and yes that means listening to music 8 hours a day for a whole year -which I really do consider a minimum ;-)

In fact, I really like talent in other people. I'm always amazed at how certain musicians are so able to inspire deep feelings and incredible emotions in me, even when I don't "share" their musical orientations... On the other hand, some people at the GRM used to say one should only listen to his own music to stay tuned to his/her own feelings... That's an interesting debate, by the way.

In any case, I'm not sure asking advice here is a good idea if what you want is sounding like some commercial popshit or having any kind of recognition or fanbase (scuse me, I'm throwing up).

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posted by: ddn+ on 2006-03-13 22:51:08
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Interesting points DDN, though personally i feel that knowing tons of music is not necessary to make great music at all. I think all you need is a genuine desire to create, and hopefully some originality. Music that is really different and remarkable doesn't come from your record collection, it comes from you. Obviously good taste helps, as does having a reference point, but most true innovations are purely inventions from within.

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posted by: Royce Icon on 2006-03-15 07:28:23
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I think I go with Royce's opinion here - and only for music that isn't supposed to sound like something else (=creative music): listening to what others did is only good to avoid doing the same experiment again. Music is a reflection of the own inner feelings and emotions hopefully. Musicians with lots of theoretical training are not necessarily the best composers.

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posted by: Random Insults on 2006-03-15 09:55:23
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I'm with Royce.
And I'd like to make another point. The size of one's record collection has very little to do with the extent of one's listening experience. I'm familiar with a billion songs that I don't own; songs that aren't even available to own. A lot of us simply don't have a big enuff bank account to own 3000 records, not if we want to have a life outside of listening to other people's music... I know more than one talentless, would-be musician with a vast record collection, and I know more than one talented musician without one.
Cheers,
Will

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posted by: --VVIIII/\/\/\-- on 2006-03-15 13:06:19
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I doubt that DDN meant physically you had to have a stack of records / CDs / 8 tracks / wax cylinders. He likely just meant that listening to a lot of other stuff helps broaden the pallette, like how you get a better vocabularly by reading more.

Personally I think that isolation can lead to very cool results but a wider variety of influences tends to have a better success rate.

Cheers

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posted by: moron on 2006-03-15 17:18:57
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Yes, Moron, that's exactly what I meant. What annoys me most, to be more accurate, is people buying a karma or virus, fiddling a month with the presets, then going all mad with their 'wonderful ambient stuff' that everyone has already listened to a million times (replace ambient with any kind of music, the thing is lame ambient is the easiest to make, good ambient being the most difficult of course :-) And listening to other people's stuff and liking it, for me, is a mark of humbleness -I feel being humble is so important because you have to be so pretentious to feel your music's worth even a quick listen to someone else...

I somehow also agree with you, Royce, it's sure obvious that the most 'learned' musicians aren't necessarily the best, but it still doesn't mean you have to be totally illiterate to make good music. I like Olivier Messiaen or Arvo Part's works a lot, and I also like the rawest punk rock like Crass or Conflict (and they don't oppose that much, as the various collaborations between Tom Cora and the Ex or John Zorn and grincore bands show) And... c'mon, Royce, that's what you SAY, but I'm really curious to know how many records you've listened to...

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posted by: ddn+ on 2006-03-28 22:25:40
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I'd say I'm fairly humble about my music... that's probably why my myspace sig reads, "Unorganized, grabastic pieces of amphibian shit." Set people up for disappointment, and they'll always be pleasantly surprised.
I make music cuz it's what I like to do. I don't think I'm composing anything all that original, and certainly not groundbreaking.
At any rate, it seems I've gone off on a tangent on account of being bored out of my skull.
Speaking of myspace, I don't think I've spammed this forum with my URL in a while: www.myspace.com/sIIV0VItZzZ. There, I feel better now.
-Will

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posted by: --VVIIII/\/\/\-- on 2006-03-29 00:37:20
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